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Two versions of a Nocturne

 
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Pianoman1992



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Two versions of a Nocturne Reply with quote

I've read in a few places (I forget where) that there were two versions of the posthumous C-sharp Minor nocturne (#20). I don't know if Chopin just revised his original one, then didn't publish it, but does anyone have info on this?
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Pianoman1992



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on, anyone?
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wanderer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pianoman1992 wrote:
Come on, anyone?


Sorry, I have no idea about this. I was doing a little search for it on the net but found no clue.

Could you dig up where you found it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Two versions of a Nocturne Reply with quote

Pianoman1992 wrote:
I've read in a few places (I forget where) that there were two versions of the posthumous C-sharp Minor nocturne (#20). I don't know if Chopin just revised his original one, then didn't publish it, but does anyone have info on this?


I would have to say this is most probably the case [the two varying copies, at least], as near Chopin's death he was weak and probably scribbled down compositions messily, asking friends to burn them, etc. With this treatment, it's unlikely the piece was very clear, causing future editors to be confused and interpretive them in various ways. Chopin probably didn't have enough strength or time before his death to edit them personally. Any differences, though, are probably not that major anyway. The piece was not originally labelled as a nocturne anyway. [I believe it was renamed posthumously]

Hope it helps!
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Pianoman1992



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one version has an E-F# double appoggiatura preceding the F#-G# trill in the beginning, while the other version doesn't. That's pretty much the only difference I know. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or was that explanation too confusing?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pianoman1992 wrote:
I think one version has an E-F# double appoggiatura preceding the F#-G# trill in the beginning, while the other version doesn't. That's pretty much the only difference I know. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or was that explanation too confusing?



At measure 8:

7 _________________ 8
C#____ B C# B A ____ [A]

The left hand at [A] for one version is F# A F# C#, for the other one is D# A F# C# (D# is more tragic, I think!)
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