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ccaranna



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Always something to discover Reply with quote

I'll say that I have enjoyed Chopin's music as long as I remember, and I am familiar with most of his works, (from recordings and from playing) but I'm always pleasantly surprised when I discover a work that I somehow missed.

For me, it's currently the Barcarolle, Op. 60. I have a recording of Pollini playing the 4 Scherzi, and on the disc are also the Berceuse and the Barcarolle, but to me, they were almost afterthoughts, and I didn't pay them much mind until I decided to really listen to them. The Berceuse is nice, but the Barcarolle has some beautiful harmonies in the middle A major section (or is it F# minor?) that are very moving.

Well, I'm going to attempt learning this piece, but I doubt I'll ever get it under my fingers to the point that I'd like!

If there was a Chopin work or works that made you do a double take, which one was it?

Chuck
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I saw Choipn's Etude op10, no8. I laughed at myself. But somehow I eventually pretty much mastered it. Looks can be deceiving.

I remember the first time I tried to play op10 No1. It gave me nightmares for two months.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Re: Always something to discover Reply with quote

I practiced the Barcarolle for 6 months and enjoy playing it until now. It's comparable to such large-scale works as 4 ballades and fantasia op.49. Dang Thai Son and Rafał Blechacz, winners of competition X and XV, played this wonderful work in the 1st stage.

Try Zimerman's version of the Barcarolle. His interpretation of the middle section is second to none, like singing. (PS: The barcarolle under the complete Chopin music is played by Zimerman by the way.)


ccaranna wrote:
I'll say that I have enjoyed Chopin's music as long as I remember, and I am familiar with most of his works, (from recordings and from playing) but I'm always pleasantly surprised when I discover a work that I somehow missed.

For me, it's currently the Barcarolle, Op. 60. I have a recording of Pollini playing the 4 Scherzi, and on the disc are also the Berceuse and the Barcarolle, but to me, they were almost afterthoughts, and I didn't pay them much mind until I decided to really listen to them. The Berceuse is nice, but the Barcarolle has some beautiful harmonies in the middle A major section (or is it F# minor?) that are very moving.

Well, I'm going to attempt learning this piece, but I doubt I'll ever get it under my fingers to the point that I'd like!

If there was a Chopin work or works that made you do a double take, which one was it?

Chuck
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Always something to discover Reply with quote

I never missed the Barcarolle. It belongs to the group of ballades and fantasy op.49. So I often listen to all of them together (Zimerman's CD Laughing )

ccaranna wrote:
I'll say that I have enjoyed Chopin's music as long as I remember, and I am familiar with most of his works, (from recordings and from playing) but I'm always pleasantly surprised when I discover a work that I somehow missed.

For me, it's currently the Barcarolle, Op. 60. I have a recording of Pollini playing the 4 Scherzi, and on the disc are also the Berceuse and the Barcarolle, but to me, they were almost afterthoughts, and I didn't pay them much mind until I decided to really listen to them. The Berceuse is nice, but the Barcarolle has some beautiful harmonies in the middle A major section (or is it F# minor?) that are very moving.

Well, I'm going to attempt learning this piece, but I doubt I'll ever get it under my fingers to the point that I'd like!

If there was a Chopin work or works that made you do a double take, which one was it?

Chuck
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. It's amazingly narrative for a baracolle and is very close to the Ballades. I remember the first time I heard it I thought it was too difficult and intellectual. I didn't understand a single note of it. Nowadays I can't imagine how I came to that...

Try Zimmerman.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I tried Zimerman's version and I think no pianist has ever made the piano sing like him. Just listen to the arpeggios going up in the middle section. They're wonderful!!!
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ccaranna



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, everyone is right, the Zimmerman is great, though I still like the Pollini a lot. I also listened to Ashkenazy and Grimaud, but they can't hold a candle to Zimmerman and Pollini's touch.

One question about the Zimmerman CD, is it me or is the piano tuned a little higher than usual? When Ballade No.1 starts the CD out, the low C almost sounded like a C# to me. I had to do a double take, as I thought it was the opening of the Sonata No. 2.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Zimerman's piano was tuned a bit higher. I'm wondering if he did something with his piano to make its sound more crystalized.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimerman studied piano construction or so. Therefore he's able to "manipulate" something in his piano to make the sound more beautiful.
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